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- Subject: Ham-Policy Digest V94 #193
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- Ham-Policy Digest Thu, 5 May 94 Volume 94 : Issue 193
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- Today's Topics:
- New FCC amateur radio licenses (2 msgs)
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- Date: Tue, 3 May 1994 14:50:42 GMT
- From: ihnp4.ucsd.edu!usc!howland.reston.ans.net!news.cac.psu.edu!news.pop.psu.edu!ra!usenet@network.ucsd.edu
- Subject: New FCC amateur radio licenses
- To: ham-policy@ucsd.edu
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- I've noticed that the recent amateur radio licenses come in two parts:
- the traditional wallet document, and one that can be framed to be hung in
- the shack. I was last issued a license in 1990 that was printed with an
- impact printer, and it's a little hard to read. It appears that the new
- licenses are laser printed.
-
- Question: Can I ask the FCC for the new license? I'd like to get the
- part you can frame. (Somehow I feel the answer is going to be `no.')
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- -Dave
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- David Drumheller, KA3QBQ phone: (202) 767-3524
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- Date: 4 May 94 23:02:56 GMT
- From: yale.edu!noc.near.net!news.delphi.com!tedtrost@yale.arpa
- Subject: New FCC amateur radio licenses
- To: ham-policy@ucsd.edu
-
- >I was last issued a license in 1990 that was printed with an
- >impact printer, and it's a little hard to read. It appears that the new
- >licenses are laser printed.
-
- > Question: Can I ask the FCC for the new license? I'd like to get the
- >part you can frame. (Somehow I feel the answer is going to be `no.')
-
- Dave-- why not just try it? If it doesn't work, "lose" your existing one
- and get a new one.
-
- Ted Trost
- Internet: tedtrost@delphi.com Delphi: TEDTROST CompuServe: 71175,1043
- Amateur radio station N1RDQ "I like beer. On occasion I will even
- drink a beer to celebrate a major event such as the fall of communism
- or the fact that our refrigerator is still working." --Dave Barry
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- Date: 5 May 94 02:43:00 GMT
- From: news-mail-gateway@ucsd.edu
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- Date: 4 May 94 15:48:27 GMT
- From: dog.ee.lbl.gov!agate!msuinfo!cravitma@ucbvax.berkeley.edu
- To: ham-policy@ucsd.edu
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- References <phb.767540105@melpar>, <ddtodd.63.0016E34F@ucdavis.edu>, <phb.768060210@melpar>
- Subject : Re: [News] FCC Gets New Weapon
-
- On Wed, 4 May 1994 14:03:30 GMT, strange alien beings caused Paul H. Bock (phb@syseng1.melpar.esys.com) to write:
-
- > BTW, does anyone know if there ARE legal requirements on
- > dealers? If so, what kind?
-
- As far as I can ascertain, at this point there are no dealer
- requirements of any kind. It is the responsibility of the purchaser to
- ensure compliance with the laws, whatever they may be.
-
- /Matthew
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- Matthew Cravit, N9VWG | All opinions expressed here are
- Michigan State University | my own. I don't speak for MSU
- E-Mail: cravitma@cps.msu.ed | and they don't speak for me.
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- Date: 4 May 94 14:03:30 GMT
- From: newsgate.melpar.esys.com!melpar!phb@uunet.uu.net
- To: ham-policy@ucsd.edu
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- References <Cotp3M.CvL@world.std.com>, <phb.767540105@melpar>, <ddtodd.63.0016E34F@ucdavis.edu>
- Subject : Re: [News] FCC Gets New Weapon
-
- ddtodd@ucdavis.edu (Daniel D. Todd) writes:
-
- >>the radio salesman. Maybe there should also be a penalty for the sales-
- >>man/dealer who doesn't *actively* inform his customers of the rules...
-
- >I think it is wrong (if even possible) to punish based on intentions. If there
-
- Well, let's look at it a different way. A *licensed* ham is REQUIRED
- to know the rules and regulations. If he violates them, it is de facto
- a *with malice aforethought* violation; he/she cannot say, "Well, gee,
- FCC, I didn't know about THAT rule!" Sort of analogous to speeding in
- a car ("Gee, officer, I didn't know what the speed limit was...").
-
- Similarly, a dealer in two-way radio equipment should know what he
- is selling, and what licensing requirements there are. He has a *moral*
- responsibility to society to help prevent bedlam on the airwaves by
- not selling equipment to folks without informing them of the licensing
- requirements; whether or not he is *legally* required to do so may be
- another matter. Of course, he can't be prosecuted if he isn't legally
- bound. He also isn't responible if he informs the buyer of the
- licensing requirements and they ignore it; then the burden of guilt is
- on them. They were informed, they chose to ignore the requirements.
-
- However, the innocent person who has never had any kind of radio
- license, commercial or amateur, and knows nothing about radio
- licensing requirements (about 95+% of the population, probably), is
- at least a partial victim if (a) he buys transmitting equipment and
- is not informed by the dealer that he needs a license, AND (b)
- there is no documentation with the radio which tells him he needs
- a license. He's still guilty of breaking the law, but in a sense
- he's been victimized. Maybe it would never happen; maybe all the
- documentation supplied does say "You need a license." But, in my
- mind, a *responsible* dealer would WARN the buyer at the time of
- sale, and perhaps have available the blank application forms and
- even offer to assist the buyer in filling them out.
-
- I'm not out to get dealers, or see them prosecuted; I'd just
- like to see the public be properly informed of the rules before
- they buy. Then if they transgress, it's their neck.
-
- BTW, does anyone know if there ARE legal requirements on
- dealers? If so, what kind?
-
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